After nearly a decade of attempting, we lastly discovered Magoo! The mysterious rapper is most identified for his collaborations together with his pals Timbaland and Missy Elliott, however his story is way deeper than simply the songs he’s created. On this interview, we speak to Magoo about his early days in Virginia with Timbaland and Pharrell. We additionally speak about his time beneath Devante Swing’s Bassment clique and what actually occurred in that state of affairs. He additionally talks about a few of the private battles he had when he was having large success with the “Welcome To Our World” album in addition to why he’s now not doing music now. Lastly he shares recollections about his time together with his pals Aaliyah and Static Main.
YouKnowIGotSoul: You began out in a bunch referred to as “S.B.I. (Surrounded By Idiots)” with Timbaland, Pharrell and Larry Stay. Speak about these early days in Virginia.
Magoo: Larry was the primary particular person I met. He was from Virginia Seashore initially and he ended up shifting to the place I went to highschool in Chesapeake. Me and him hung for awhile and three months into me understanding him as a buddy and having two courses collectively, he instructed me a couple of man he knew from Virginia Seashore who was this improbable DJ. This was earlier than I knew Tim as a producer. I used to be like “It’s not possible for someone to be that good!”. Someday he drove us over to Tim’s home and Tim was higher than what Larry had instructed me. Tim may have been Child Capri, Funkmaster Flex or Jazzy Jeff. He was that good. Now was he higher than Jazzy Jeff? I wouldn’t say that, however he was elite. Folks would use his title to say he was a DJ at a celebration he was not at. This was earlier than the music. You possibly can see going again to after I first met Tim, he was already the dude. Larry was cool in his personal means too. They’d taste and so they have been thorough dudes. Then Tim let me hear his beats that he was making and I used to be like “He makes beats too? What else does he do?!”. At that time, I had by no means met anyone in individual that was severe concerning the artwork and that was that gifted on the artwork. Tim was a grown particular person when it got here to his duty with DJ and music. He was promoting mixtapes again then. We’re not speaking about New York Metropolis, Atlanta or Miami right here. We’re speaking about Virginia. It was not a Hip Hop space. He was miles forward of everyone although. I heard individuals DJ and rap earlier than him, nevertheless it was like he was from New York together with his stage of potential. It was ridiculous when he was 16. He was additionally a beatbox champion too!
YouKnowIGotSoul: How have been you guys launched to Pharrell after?
Magoo: Early on when Larry and I labored with Tim, our buddy Glenn was additionally a part of the group. Someday Tim was like “I do know this dude named Pharrell. He’s on one other stage, however he’s in one other group”. Pharrell by no means needed to go away Chad and Shay of The Neptunes, however he was intrigued by what we have been doing. He needed to be concerned in it however not essentially depart his group. Tim instructed us about him and we went over there the subsequent day. It’s humorous trying again, however Pharrell was miles forward of everybody. The Pharrell the general public sees now, that’s what he was then. This isn’t an act. I wouldn’t take into account him a nerd, however I can see why they referred to as themselves N.E.R.D. They have been totally different. Chad, Pharrell and Shay have been all cool dudes, however they weren’t attempting to beat individuals up. Road cats beloved them although. Pharrell’s musical potential was out of area and he was in his personal world. The primary time I heard him do a rap, I used to be like “This dude already appeared like he was prepared for the mainstream”. He should have simply been born with it. It was like Tim, I by no means heard anyone that had that form of understanding of what it was like to jot down a tune.
YouKnowIGotSoul: What did you are taking away from being round with Pharrell?
Magoo: What I acquired from Pharrell was to not be afraid to simply do it. I had comparisons with Q-Tip due to my voice, however individuals don’t get that that is simply how I sound. I’ve all the time appeared like this even earlier than I began rapping. I used to be in a singing group and I used to be singing Ralph Tresvant. I used to be profitable expertise reveals singing earlier than I used to be rapping. I’m not joking both! I didn’t are available in second or third, I used to be profitable expertise reveals singing New Version songs. I hate the Q-Tip comparisons as a result of I’m an enormous Tribe Known as Quest fan, however there was nothing I may do about my voice.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Do you know The Neptunes could be so profitable sooner or later?
Magoo: Once I heard what Pharrell was doing with Chad and Shay, I used to be like “These dudes are simply totally different”. I all the time had the upmost respect for them as a result of I noticed them being themselves. They have been unapologetically being themselves. It wasn’t a picture. I used to be like “That’s what an excellent group does”. Typically it’s not ok, however when it’s then it turns into N.E.R.D. They set the bar actually excessive and I discovered that from listening to what Pharrell and Chad did. It made me understand “Simply say what you are feeling and don’t be afraid to strive new issues”.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Speak about your early days with Missy Elliott.
Magoo: Someday we have been in a report retailer and a tune referred to as “First Transfer” by Fayze (later renamed Sista) was taking part in on the radio. We didn’t know who Missy was on the time, we simply knew that this tune was taking part in on the radio and so they have been a neighborhood group. That was the one tune on the radio that was from a neighborhood artist on common rotation in Virginia Seashore. I picked up the 12 inch and I instructed my guys that we have now to fulfill these women. Two months later one in every of my boys I labored at Olive Backyard with, his title was E and he was a producer. He pulled up in a automotive with Missy’s group Fayze and it’s loopy as a result of Missy was already nice then. She simply didn’t have the assets to get the manufacturing that she wanted. Once I met them, I used to be like “Yo, you guys want to fulfill my boy Tim”. E was a producer and he didn’t like that an excessive amount of. I perceive why he was mad at me, however on the time Tim wasn’t the nice Timbaland. I simply thought I used to be introducing her to someone else that might do manufacturing that will match with Missy’s type. I used to be simply making a counsel greater than taking them away from their producer. It was an harmless mistake, however trying again I perceive why he was mad. He had each proper to be mad as a result of he thought it was going to be his break, however I feel God did all of that for some form of motive if you happen to take a look at the outcomes. We went to the crib and Tim placed on the primary beat and Missy was in. It was nearly like God was placing items collectively from Larry introducing me to Tim after which us assembly Missy. That is going to sound corny, however I consider that our lives are just like the yellow brick roads like in “The Wizard of OZ”. If you keep on the yellow brick street, your life seems the way it’s purported to prove. If you get off the yellow brick street, that’s why persons are depressing typically as a result of they get off the trail they’re purported to be on. I look again and give it some thought, who can say of their lifetime that they’re pals with one of many biggest feminine artists of on a regular basis in Missy Elliott, three of the best producers of all time with Pharrell, Chad and Timbaland and a few of the biggest teams of all time like N.E.R.D. and Clipse? All of us rode in the identical circle and we might see one another at totally different occasions and this was earlier than the celebrity. All of us ended up making it as a result of we have been severe.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Speak about becoming a member of Da Bassment. Take me again to that period.
Magoo: Missy’s group went to a Jodeci present after which they acquired on. Once they acquired on, they instructed Devante Swing particularly about Tim as a result of he was the producer of the group. Devante didn’t actually need to cope with it. He thought Tim was gifted, however he was going to make use of Al B. Certain! Missy was like “Nah, my man has to do work on this too”. Missy has all the time been a rock and she or he’s been the hardest enterprise particular person I’ve ever met. She is going to let you know that gained’t work and it actually gained’t work. She knew Tim would work for what she was doing. She was like “I like Al however Tim suits with what I need to do”. She noticed the longer term for what Tim’s manufacturing may do. I’ve to offer Devante credit score as a result of he really listened. Missy then instructed him about us after which we went for an audition. Devante pulled me to the facet and was like “I need you. I don’t need the remainder of the group”. I used to be shocked as a result of I didn’t suppose I used to be an excellent rapper. I feel Devante heard one thing he may mould. I requested if he may maintain the remainder of the group. Devante agreed to maintain Larry and Elmo, however the final dude he didn’t need to maintain. I used to be like “Effectively if you happen to’re not going to maintain him, I’m going to go away” nevertheless it wasn’t a diss to Devante. I simply couldn’t depart my boy like that. I ended up leaving after which two years later, Devante instructed me what occurred. He was like “I did need to signal you anyway, however Missy instructed me that you simply have been the star since you’re a pleasant dude and you’ve got the best angle.”. Missy may see issues in individuals so far as their present. I all the time look again to when she rode with Tim as a result of how did she know? That was an enormous likelihood as a result of Devante may have mentioned “In case you don’t need to work with Al then you definitely’re executed!”. She put it on the market and doubtless risked her alternative as a result of she believed in Tim a lot that she was prepared to place herself on the market. Don’t get me mistaken, Tim’s expertise speaks for itself however I need you to grasp the importance and significance of pulling different individuals up. You possibly can pull different individuals up and likewise nonetheless have your alternative. When you present somebody that’s serving to you ways nice you consider someone is, you’ll nonetheless have your alternative. Missy wasn’t going to lose her alternative as a result of she was too gifted. I’m endlessly grateful for Missy and God actually did that.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Take us again to Da Bassment period like. Different members like Playa, Ginuwine and Tweet have all mentioned it was like faculty.
Magoo: Once I first acquired round all these cats, they have been probably the most gifted group of individuals I’d ever been round. If you’re within the second, you don’t recognize it as a lot however all these individuals pushed me. They by no means pushed me as a result of it was a contest although. No person ever competed towards one another and there was no animosity, however while you see Playa or Ginuwine, Missy’s group Sista or Tweet’s group Sugah recording, it was a lot expertise. Devante had a improbable eye for expertise. I by no means checked out it prefer it was a college, however they’re proper. You discovered from every particular person. Static and his group Playa launched me to Rap from the South. My metropolis was strictly East Coast rap or that DC Go-go music. Playa launched me to 8Ball & MJG and UGK. These rappers would have a special movement on each tune and typically they’d have a movement on every verse. I ended up concentrating extra on movement than phrases as a result of that gave you the rhythm of the music greater than something. I owe Black, Static and Smokey for the affect that they gave me after they launched me to that sort of rap.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Do you suppose working beneath Devante Swing helped sharpen your instruments as an artist?
Magoo: Completely, Devante was important. I all the time thought that if Devante adopted me an entire profession, I’d have been a greater artist. What he did that was distinctive is that he wasn’t the man that was going to place you down, however he wasn’t going to pat you on the again when it wasn’t ok. He pushed us by us understanding that if you happen to’re going to get credit score from him then it was dope. He wasn’t there to harm our emotions and he by no means made me really feel self acutely aware. He’s why Missy, Timbaland, Playa, Ginuwine and Tweet ended up attending to some place. I feel everybody else may have, however sure issues don’t get you there like administration. Everybody there was extraordinarily gifted and Devante knew the right way to push our buttons to get us to do what we would have liked to do. One time I used to be going off about how dope this artist was and he went off on me. He was like “Magoo that’s why you ain’t shit and also you ain’t going to be shit since you’re sitting there jocking the subsequent motherfucker, you might want to be by yourself dick”. He wasn’t attempting to diss me, he was telling me to be happy with how dope I used to be. From that day on, I began to enhance as a rapper. The artist I used to be admiring was Biggie. *Laughs* He made us need to retire! Puffy was letting us hearken to snippets of Biggie’s music. He gave Jodeci a CD and each tune was dope. The unique model of “Me & My Bitch” was so dope. They couldn’t get the pattern cleared, nevertheless it was so dope. I discovered a lot from that have and I actually recognize that he was that trustworthy.
YouKnowIGotSoul: You didn’t essentially have meals to eat on a regular basis while you have been in Da Bassment. How did you stay so affected person throughout that point?
Magoo: Again then, it was totally different and it was all we had. If you spent three or 4 years beneath Devante, that was an honor. There was no prompt gratification, it didn’t exist. There was no actuality TV or web. If you met someone, that was how you bought on. You couldn’t choose up the cellphone and speak to anyone that might allow you to. You actually needed to run into individuals, so if you happen to acquired that state of affairs, why would you permit? You’d do something to make it throughout that point interval in need of killing someone. Bear in mind in “Making The Band” when Puff requested them to get cheesecake? Folks thought it was merciless, nevertheless it wasn’t concerning the cheesecake. Puff was looking for out how badly individuals needed to achieve success. Within the leisure enterprise, it’s a must to have extra than simply expertise. It’s important to have the tenacity and so they needed it extra. The man that had probably the most expertise, he didn’t need to get that cheesecake. If that was me, I’d have introduced again cheesecake, pizza and a steak. It will have been with my cash and I didn’t have any. It’s important to be extra than simply concerning the fame. Prompt gratification for this era is extra concerning the fame. We didn’t care concerning the fame. The dream then was listening to your self on the radio as a result of Michael Jackson was on the radio. You needed to be on the radio with these folks that influenced you. I bear in mind the primary time I acquired an ASCAP verify, I believed it was a mistake. My first ASCAP verify was 5 figures and I used to be like “They play you for airplay?”. So while you’re speaking about us staying in Da Bassment the entire time, there was nothing to consider. When individuals aren’t used to one thing, they don’t know they need to be complaining. Folks used to attend an hour for his or her meals earlier than McDonalds and so they sat proper there and waited. We didn’t have any choice, so both we needed to cope with the consequence to get to the place we needed to get to or stop. I do know lots of people that stop. They hated me after I made it as a result of everybody that stop was higher than all of us. Essentially the most gifted individuals by no means make it. There’s a golfer on the market higher than Tiger Woods, however he simply gave up.
YouKnowIGotSoul: You all the time had these memorable one liners like “The fowl is the phrase”. Speak about your inventive course of.
Magoo: It was intentional. I used to be slightly rougher across the edges earlier than, however as I acquired round Jodeci and discovered extra concerning the music trade alongside after which we acquired with Aaliyah’s uncle Barry Hankerson, I began to grasp one thing concerning the music trade that I by no means would have gotten the chance to expertise if I got here out instantly. Folks all the time bear in mind while you say sure issues like “Whatchu talkin bout Willis?”. Gary Coleman was a toddler actor, however his profession is remembered due to that one line. Biggie even put that line in his lyrics. Me and Timbaland had a dialog and he was like “You possibly can both promote 200ok or we are able to promote 1,000,000 data, however it’s a must to determine what that’s going to be”. If I simply did that Hip Hop that I used to be doing that was simply doing for the cats on the block, I don’t suppose anyone would know me in any respect. That’s what individuals don’t perceive after they speak about me and I’ve heard about what individuals say about me. Simply because an individual comes out with a report a sure means, that doesn’t imply that who that particular person is. I selected that lane as a result of I understood the trade. I’d say stuff like “Wiggle a bit cease drop stand up snake freak” as a result of I needed one thing youngsters may bear in mind. I wasn’t attempting to be a dope emcee. I may have been as a result of after I was beneath Devante, I used to be getting so a lot better. Devante didn’t thoughts that as a result of he beloved the realness of Hip Hop. He didn’t care if you happen to acquired in bother as a result of he was a avenue form of dude in his mentality. It was okay to be like that in Da Bassment, however as soon as I left that state of affairs I noticed “Possibly we might have been one thing like Demise Row” however I didn’t really feel like that was going to be a great lane for me with my gentle voice. I had to determine the place I match and that’s the place you bought the catchphrases. I attempted to have one thing in there that will make individuals bear in mind what I mentioned as a result of I knew individuals neglect rappers on a regular basis. There are some dope rappers that have been ten occasions higher than me, however no person is aware of they exist. I do know they exist as a result of I’m a Hip Hop head. My favourite rappers aren’t megastars. They aren’t as 2Pac or Massive Daddy Kane. My favourite rappers are Joel Ortiz, Mad Skillz and Black Thought. KRS One is my favourite emcee of all time, however he doesn’t have a two million promoting album. Only a few emcees do numbers as a result of Hip Hop was by no means about promoting data. Hip Hop was about making songs you needed to make in order that your individuals may perceive and relate to it. Hip Hop wasn’t about gold chains, that got here as an after impact. I used to be all the time about that, but when I needed to have some followers with my gentle voice and Barry Hankerson was like “I need each child in America to love that”. I understood that as a result of it was a enterprise. Thank god I used to be round Jodeci and noticed what report labels do to artists. The most important mistake most artists make after they come into the sport is that they suppose that is for play. No, that is for actual. In case you don’t have a “fowl is a phrase” that may final for 20 years, you’re in bother. I bear in mind after we did “Drop”, Tim didn’t actually really feel it. Me and his brother Sebastian felt that report and I did a verse on it first. He was like “Okay I see!”. I knew that report that had that factor about it. The one motive that tune is profitable is due to that monitor and Fatman Scoop on the hook. *Laughs* However you may hear after I mentioned my line, I simply needed individuals to have a great time and social gathering. That’s what my intentions have been. If I needed to be a dope emcee, I may have bodied lots of people. I all the time had the lyrical potential, however I knew that’s not what everybody must do. Everybody can’t be Black Thought. If everyone was like that, we might have 1,000,000 Black Ideas. He has that lane and I couldn’t try this as a result of my voice was gentle. Anyone has to make the enjoyable data and I knew I couldn’t go a sure means due to Q-Tip, I attempted to discover a technique to get away from it as a lot as attainable. I actually was attempting to get away from that as a result of I had a lot respect for Tribe, so I needed to be the pleased rapper. It will have backfired if I attempted some other means. The business success that Tim and I had allowed me to do three albums. We made enjoyable data, however they weren’t corny. I don’t have any regrets. I preferred the response I acquired from folks that have been followers. I didn’t get the road credibility that I acquired into Hip Hop for, however I felt if I may make individuals pleased and have a great time, that was contributing to Hip Hop too however differently.
YouKnowIGotSoul: Your debut album “Welcome To Our World” ended up promoting over 1,000,000 data . What was that point in your life like?
Magoo: To be trustworthy, I by no means actually acquired an opportunity to benefit from the success as a result of it got here at a price. I bear in mind going to see my nieces one time and I had seen how large they’d acquired, it was all only a blur. The video shoots and the flying, I by no means actually acquired the possibility to digest this success. Nonetheless to today, I can inform somebody we bought 1.6 thousands and thousands and I’ve a platinum single too. Lots of people go their complete profession with out having 25% of that and I’ve been blessed to have it, however I by no means acquired an opportunity to take pleasure in it. I’m going to maintain it actual, I didn’t take pleasure in any of that. I by no means felt like me and Tim acquired an opportunity to take pleasure in our early years and it by no means even felt like we have been this million promoting group. Not simply from a monetary standpoint, however extra so since you’re all the time working. You go from that album after which they need one other one after which you may have individuals attempting to tear you aside. I didn’t get an opportunity to take pleasure in that. I loved it extra as soon as it was over and I nonetheless didn’t take pleasure in it. That’s why I walked away from it. The music enterprise is a promise that may’t be saved and that’s fame. Once I had a primary tune, I noticed I could have been higher with my 9-5 earlier than I left Virginia. It’s onerous to be pleased since you’re preventing for all the things you earned and also you simply don’t have time to take pleasure in it with your loved ones. You aren’t as shut with pals anymore and persons are treating you totally different after getting that hit report. I lived two totally different lives and being a star wasn’t enjoyable.
YouKnowIGotSoul: If you take a look at the plaque in your wall, what are some ideas that come to thoughts?
Magoo: I don’t give a shit about these plaques. The occasions I loved most have been throughout S.B.I. and every time me and Tim have been within the studio. I beloved the inventive course of of constructing the songs with my buddy. These have been the particular occasions. I hated video shoots and all the things that needed to do with superstar. I bear in mind I went to a drive by and somebody gave me free meals. I used to be like “Once we didn’t have cash, they wouldn’t give us something”. It was a get up name as a result of fame reveals you what’s good and horrible about us. We deal with individuals which are well-known higher than individuals that truly need assistance. They’ll give a millionaire meals and stroll proper over a homeless particular person. I by no means dreamed about being well-known. I simply needed to make the songs. I didn’t take into consideration the cash or fame. I needed to have a tune on the radio like my heroes and I needed to work actual onerous at it. Was I profitable? Sure, however there’s a distinction between happiness and success. Success is while you get what you ask for whereas happiness is while you like what you get. I don’t suppose Missy and Timbaland even know the way I felt, however I didn’t like being across the leisure trade as a result of it had a chance to carry positivity, however introduced extra negativity into individuals’s lives. I didn’t like that the followers have been displaying extra like to the folks that didn’t want their love and ignoring the folks that do want your love whether or not it’s a child that’s being bullied or poor individuals. Ladies on the street would choose me based mostly on a report, however not the particular person or the character I might need. The toughest factor to seek out while you grow to be well-known is discovering somebody who actually loves you. I’ve no regrets although about being in a bunch with my buddy although. That was the perfect time for me after we would make these songs collectively. That’s the one factor I miss. I don’t miss the celebrity, I simply miss making songs with my homeboy. That was the enjoyable half. I by no means speak to the individuals from the report firm anymore that instructed me how nice I used to be and so they don’t name on Christmas. The family and friends I had earlier than are the identical one I had after and that’s what issues most.
YouKnowIGotsoul: Share with us your favourite Aaliyah reminiscence.
Magoo: Aaliyah was humorous and a great spirited sort particular person. If it wasn’t for her, we wouldn’t have been on Blackground. She spoke up for Tim and me and Barry ended up signing us. In fact he had a whole lot of respect for Babygirl and I’m certain Barry would have labored with Timbaland as a producer anyway. Aaliyah vouched for us and I by no means forgot that. I bear in mind one time she referred to as my lodge room again in LA, she referred to as the cellphone and she or he was singing “All Good” by Bone Thugs-N-Concord. She did it six occasions and I used to be going off. I didn’t understand it was Aaliyah and I used to be cussing that particular person out. Then Aaliyah really referred to as and she or he was like “You need to go hang around?” and I used to be like “I’m slightly upset proper now. Anyone retains calling my cellphone singing that Bone Thugs tune” and she or he was like “Like this?” and she or he began singing it the identical means. I by no means forgot that. I neglect the place we ended up hanging out however she was only a humorous particular person. I by no means acquired over her demise. I by no means mentioned this with Tim, Missy, Ginuwine or my household. I by no means acquired over that. I feel it might be traumatic for anyone and to lose someone that was so younger and promising like that. I’ve to offer her relations a whole lot of credit score as a result of I’m not blood associated to her, nevertheless it was so onerous on me. I couldn’t fly or watch Aaliyah music movies. I misplaced a bit of myself not as a result of me and Aaliyah have been shut like she was with different individuals like Tim, however I had a love and respect for her simply due to how humble she was. I’ve some hood pals and I launched her to my boy Troy Mitchell. Aaliyah was identical to a standard particular person and he was like “She was only a common chick. She wasn’t on that star stuff. She was so real!”. She was identical to that. She didn’t deserve that man, that wasn’t for her.
YouKnowIGotsoul: What about your favourite Static Main reminiscence?
Magoo: That’s my man proper there! I shared an condo with Playa. They won’t understand it, however I nonetheless play their report in my automotive. Folks get drained as a result of it’s like 20 years later, however they’re one in every of my favourite R&B teams of all time and I’m not saying that as a result of they’re my pals. Dwelling with them and them saying “We blazing!”. *Laughs* They have been just a few good Southern dudes from Louisville. They’d the kindest hearts and I like all three of them. My coronary heart was heavier when Static died as a result of I used to be roommates with that man. I slept in the identical space within the condo we had. Our beds have been all in the lounge and we simply did the younger man stuff with chicks and had enjoyable. He was like my faculty classmate however he was my man. To today, I’m like “Why did they should put the needle within the mistaken place? He ought to nonetheless be right here”. The world misplaced an entertainer, however Black and Smokey misplaced a buddy. His household misplaced a great dude. That was an influential dude and he was sensible. He may kill you with kindness and he was only a good due. I like Stephen Garrett as an individual. I revered him as an individual and I nonetheless love Jawann Peacock or Smokey and Benjamin Bush or Black. We grew as much as be actually shut. Once I had a foul breakup, I went to stick with Playa. They helped me recover from that and I ended up getting on the Playa album and doing a little songs with my homeboys. I all the time take into consideration the group after I take into consideration Static. I all the time consider them as a bunch as a result of I by no means met these form of individuals collectively. They have been so humble and so they launched me to rap I had by no means heard earlier than. I owe a part of my success to Playa. They have been an affect on me due to their onerous work. Static, Black and Smoke all the time labored onerous. They impressed me a lot. Once I heard Static had died, I went to his funeral and I’m not a funeral sort of man. I left a studio session I used to be in with B.o.B. in Virginia and I went to the funeral in Louisville and got here again the identical day to point out my respect. That’s how a lot I beloved Static. Typically the report labels would pay for it, however I took my very own dime and I paid for my flight, rental automotive and my respect for my man. I take into consideration that dude on a regular basis. Playa made me pleased as a result of I by no means noticed these dudes not pleased.
YouKnowIGotsoul: Something you’d like so as to add?
Magoo: I don’t need to speak about what I’m doing now. I’m within the enterprise, however I don’t need individuals to know what I’m doing. I used to have a manufacturing firm and so they labored with Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I did that after Timbaland & Magoo. I signed a couple of producers and so they did very effectively.